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kali ([personal profile] fictional) wrote2009-01-14 01:27 pm

i keep saying i'll have more cogent things to say about this, but till then...

Check out [livejournal.com profile] deepad's post, I Didn't Dream of Dragons, a thoughtful, lucid, poignant essay on race and reading fantasy.

Excerpt from my comment:

But here is my problem, and that problem is love. Brought up on a steady diet of white fantasy and British boarding school novels, now, even when I can identify the alienation imposed by them -- these are stories by people who think of me as sub-human -- I still love them. They are still the fabric of my childhood, the patterns of my inner landscape. It's like Stockholm Syndrome.

And I still don't know what to do with that? How does one cope with the politics of desire?

[identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I absolutely agree with that.
My point was that even if one accepts the (false) premise that they are distinct categories, it defies logic to say (about any two behaviors) that people who do A almost always do B, but that people who do B almost never do A.
It's not just bad lit crit; it's bad common sense.

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
*dies laughing* Oh, I love you. That is not very literary, but true nevertheless.

[identity profile] gement.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, sorry. I wasn't attempting to correct you, but to agree with you and expand on your thought.

It doesn't entirely defy logic to say "People who do A at least 80% of the time are less likely to spend the remaining 20% on B than vice versa," though. I just don't think it happens to be true in this case.

Mostly because I know a lot of lit fic readers who wouldn't touch a "genre" book with a ten foot pole and try to rationalize why books like The Eyre Affair aren't actually sci-fi so they can read them. Man, I hate those people.

[identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
What you say is true, and it was perhaps disingenuous of me to nit-pick his words when the meaning could be inferred, but if he's going to harass other people about their choice of reading material (and in such a paternalistic fashion), he should at least be precise in stating his arguments.

Trying to rationalize why books like The Eyre Affair aren't actually sci-fi

[identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Or write them.*cough*

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, Rushdie? Rushdie does not prove the point.

*laughs* Haroun ftw.

[identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Your point about magical realism was also ftw. I mean, really.

That lowbrow E. T. A. Hoffmann and his trashy genre fiction!

[identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yes, there is that, too :)