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kali ([personal profile] fictional) wrote2008-09-09 11:45 am

Torchwood Fic: In Our Bedroom After The War (Part 4)

Title: In Our Bedroom After the War
Pairing/Characters: Jack/Ianto, Gwen, Mickey, Martha & the rest of the Doctor Who Cast.
Authors: [livejournal.com profile] rm & [livejournal.com profile] kalichan
Rating/Warning: NC-17, bdsm, d/s,
Summary: Homeward bound. Takes place during and after Doctor Who 4x13: Journey's End.
Wordcount: ~31,700 [posted in 4 parts]
Authors' Notes: This is the seventh installment of our series, I Had No Idea I Had Been Traveling. The title is from a song (and the album) by Stars. This is the first piece of this arc we’ve really had to write concurrent to an episode, because of the woeful lack of Torchwood Hub in DW 4x13. This means if you've not watched Journey's End, that the first part of the story might not make as much sense as it could. Here is a link to a brief recap, a full recap, a funny recap (with captioned pictures) or just the transcript -- in case you want to know what, exactly, is going on. Or you could just dive in and hope for the best! Next up, we'll be posting a Jack/Nine/Rose followed by a few other prequels covering the early education and adventures of both Jack and Ianto before returning to where we’ve left off with them in this timeline.

Previous installments:
A Strange Fashion of Forsaking
Dear Captain, Last Night I Slept in Mutiny
To Learn This Holding and the Holding Back
The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
I Imagine You Now in That Other City
Many of My Favorite Things Are Broken
In Our Bedroom After the War, Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3


Jack stalked through the entrance of the Tourist Information Centre, Mickey following behind him closely. He was not in the best of moods. Probably because he was encrusted with mud from rolling down a hill chasing after what he'd thought must be an alien explosive device, but actually turned out to be a couple of tin-hats with a geiger counter and also thoroughly exasperated from talking to various groups of taciturn Welshmen in pubs, who never seemed to open their mouths wide enough to let any information through. When they finally tracked down the 'stockpile' of guns, only to discover a convention of science fiction aficionados, whose only problem was the lead based paint they were using to paint their models, it had all combined to create one galactic-class temper that he was only managing to prevent from exploding by sheer force of will.

"Fucking morons," he muttered to himself.

"Got that right," Mickey answered, still obscenely cheerful.

Jack was pretty impressed with that actually. It wasn't many men who could be sent off on a 24-hour wild goose chase and still seem so unruffled by it all. He congratulated himself on the addition of Mickey to the team -- he'd do this high strung bunch of prima donnas some good. Prima donnas who, incidentally, Jack couldn't wait to have a few words with about the necessity of properly checking sources and intel before deciding they needed to have someone in the field.

They came through the cog door, and into the main workstation area, and Jack started talking before he even waiting to see if they were all assembled.

"Gwen," he yelled. "We need to have a chat about a little thing I like to call fact-checking--"

He trailed off and looked around. Something didn't seem right. Actually, everything seemed too right and felt very, very wrong. Everything looked very... neat. All present and accounted for, he noted, and staring at him innocently besides, waiting for him to finish his sentence. There was Ianto, Martha, Gwen... Jack narrowed his eyes at Gwen.

"Your hair is wet," he said.

"Yeah," she said. "Spilled something. Had to take a shower."

"You spill something too, Martha?" he asked.

"No," Martha said. "I just like to wash after I do an autopsy. Found a dead weevil while you were gone."

"Where is it?" Jack said, his eyes wandering to the medical facility.

"Incinerated," Ianto supplied. "Natural causes, it turned out to be."

"Ahh," Jack said.

He paused.

"You were saying, Jack?" Gwen asked. "About fact checking? How did it go anyway?"

"Funny you should ask," Jack said. "For an utterly unnecessary trip, it went great. Except for the dry cleaning bill, which I'm thinking about making you pay for, Gwen."

"What do you mean, unnecessary? Did you find the gun runners?"

"The thirteen science fiction fans? Yeah, I did."

"Oh," Gwen said. "God. Sorry. That's terrible! I was sure..."

Jack glared at her. "Yeah. We're gonna have a few words about that. First, I'm getting out of these clothes." He strode towards the stairs.

"Ah, about that, sir," Ianto said, his voice sounding abnormally high pitched. "If I could just speak to you in private for a moment."



Jack had turned his back on them, and was already making his way up the stairs; Ianto made a hysterical, frantic face at the rest of them, before chasing after him.

As they disappeared into Jack's office, and the door shut with a bang, Gwen caught Mickey's eye -- who gave her a quizzical 'did it work' look. She grinned.

"Oh man," Mickey said, sinking into a chair, as they all pricked up their ears, and listened unabashedly. "This is gonna be hilarious."

Martha shook her head, and laughed softly. "That's one word for it," she whispered.

"YOU DID WHAT?" Jack's voice came bellowing out from behind the closed door.

Gwen winced.

"Think he'll give you up?" Mickey said softly. "It was your idea, wasn't it?"

"No," Gwen whispered. "He won't."

"Lucky you," Mickey said.

"Yeah," Gwen said smugly. "I know."

And then they heard, even louder than before, "YOU FUCKED WITH THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HUB?"

They all jumped, and Martha giggled helplessly.

"Captain's got a pair of lungs on him," Mickey said, shaking his head. "And Ianto. He's got stones, I'll give him that."

***


Meanwhile, in Jack's office, Ianto was feeling his bollocks shrink up into his stomach.

He'd got the information out, and now Jack was staring at him as if he'd been replaced by some sort of strange alien creature, and he was trying to decide if Ianto were insane, dangerously insane, or just needed to be put down.

"It was perfectly safe, really," Ianto said feebly.

Jack stared at him, and then looked around at the office for some inspiration. "How the hell did you do it?"

"Well, I tried to use the sonic blaster, but it... didn't work. So, dynamite, really the only option."

"YOU BLEW UP THE HUB? ARE YOU CRAZY? DYNAMITE IS NEVER THE ONLY OPTION."

"It was controlled," Ianto protested. "It's just the same down there, really. Only bigger."

Jack looked at him in absolute, flabbergasted silence.

"If you'd just take a look, sir," Ianto pleaded.

Jack took a deep breath, obviously trying to retain some semblance of calm. Then he went to the hatch door, pulled it up, and peered down at the cavernous, dark space beneath, and the first few rungs of the ladder, which were all that could be seen.

He looked back at Ianto, and shook his head in disbelief, before climbing down into the hatch and making his way down.

Ianto found himself babbling after him, "It's still a ladder, see. It's just, you know, longer... and your office is still the same. It wasn't a load bearing ceiling or floor, or anything. I checked."

"Ianto," he heard Jack's voice echo from below. "Get your ass down here."

"Oh," Ianto said. He looked down into the dark. The lights had been on the last time he'd done this.

"Jack, could you... do you mind turning on the light?"

"No," Jack said blandly. "I think I'll wait for you. Wouldn't want me to see this masterpiece you've created without you, would you?"

Ianto gulped. Then, because there was clearly nothing else to be done, he gripped the top rung of the ladder, and swung himself down into the hole.

As he gingerly felt for the next rung with his feet, he heard Jack say conversationally, "You know, I could be wrong, but for someone who's scared of heights, this doesn't seem like the most brilliant idea."

Ianto didn't answer, certain anything he said would just make things worse.

It was strange, because he’d known it would be like this, Jack furious and him terrified, but he was still hating it, still holding his breath for the moment it would be worse before the moment it would be better.

As he reached the bottom of the ladder he wished that he would feel Jack's arm snaking around his waist in the dark, but knew that was the last thing he should expect, at least right now. It would come in time though, at least, so he assumed. Jack had, after all, forgiven him for a lot worse.

As his feet finally hit the ground, Jack turned on the light.



It was hard to know whether to be furious or touched, or even what question Ianto should be asked first. There was a lot to be said for a ceiling that was more than a mere foot above his head and the meticulousness -- expected, of course -- with which Ianto had moved his possessions. Even the camp bed was disassembled and folded neatly in the corner. And there were thankfully no embellishments to speak of. Well, except for the bed, which wasn't anything flash, but was clearly intended for two people. Silly really when he didn't sleep, although he knew that wasn't the point. The gesture was so many things, frail and fragile and young among them. Just, apparently, involving explosions.

"Awfully presumptuous, don't you think?" Jack asked, folding his arms across his chest.

Ianto straightened himself up, set his gaze in the way that Jack knew was never really for anyone's benefit but the man's own and said, "Yes."

It was hard work then for Jack not to smile.



After the ‘yes,’ somehow it all felt better, though he was still terrified, and it was hard not to babble, and so babble he did while Jack stood there with his arms crossed looking grim. Ianto explained both reasoning and logistics, assured Jack that he tried to make everything as simple and utilitarian as possible and made it clear that the rest of the team had only helped by keeping silent once he'd been entirely unable to keep the secret despite his best efforts. It was a lie, of course, and Jack would know it with or without the CCTV footage, but Ianto thought it was all right, that Jack would see the honour in it.

"So I guess I should expect you to be moving some things down here," Jack said, his voice still hard.

"No, sir. I meant what I said. I like my flat and the locker room's fine for my extra clothes. But we can squeeze another hour or so out of the day this way, and you have somewhere to retreat to again, and maybe I could live in my flat from time to time instead of just fucking there," he blurted, thinking that he missed eating a late breakfast, alone, in the Sunday sun of his sitting room.



"Is this because I said you should move?" Jack asked incredulously.

It had been a nearly off-hand comment on his part, although it had hovered in the back of his mind ever since he had said it. There'd been a look on Ianto's face, one that necessarily had to be disappointed, and just because they'd both known it, hadn't made Jack feel better about any of it.

"No. I knew it still bothered you to come down here. Which made it bother me to sleep here. Leftovers," he said.

"I should have told you a long time ago to get the hell out of here and get yourself a nice girl, Ianto Jones."

"Yes, sir. But I'd already done that. More than once. So I'm glad you didn't."

"I'll regret it one day, you know," Jack said.

"I know. But I won't."



Jack's rage seemed to be gone, much to Ianto's relief. There was a sort of sorrow there instead, but he knew how to do sorrow. Knew how to do it with Jack, just as he had known how to do it with Lisa, just as he knew how to do it with himself and he couldn't help but smile just a little.

"I see that I've let things get out of hand," Jack said, and Ianto frowned, beginning to expect some cruel retraction of sentiment. "Gave you too much power all at once. You have had fun these last couple of weeks, haven't you?" he asked, his smile becoming predatory.

"Um, yes sir?" Ianto said, not entirely sure where this was going or how to navigate it.

"Yes, absolutely," Jack clarified for him. "All right, play time's over."

"Sir?"

"Take off your clothes. I think we'll have a chat in language I know you can understand."

Ianto swallowed, feeling his knees go weak. And then as Jack stood there, waiting for him to obey, he began to undo his tie and unbutton his shirt.

After the past few weeks, this felt strange, nerve-racking even, undressing under Jack's eyes, Jack who had slipped back effortlessly into the easy confidence and decadent swagger that he'd not put aside, exactly -- Jack, Ianto knew, couldn't turn it on, because he couldn't turn it off -- but had sort of managed to ignore. Now it was on full display, and it seemed as if all of a sudden, Jack was too large for the room -- even with its newly high ceiling.

The force of his attention was like a spotlight, shining uncompromisingly on Ianto, and he wondered how he could ever have forgotten, even for a second, what this felt like. His skin crawled, and his belly knotted, and underneath it all, he felt the heat begin to rise.

Soon he was naked, and remembering how much more naked he felt when Jack was staring at him, still fully clothed and apparently unmoved. It was cold down here, and Ianto felt goosebumps on his skin.

Jack crooked his finger and beckoned; as if mesmerized, Ianto came forward to stand directly in front of him. Jack just looked him up and down for a few moments, and then with a jerk of his head, he indicated that Ianto should go over to the bed.

Ianto swallowed hard, feeling blood pounding in his wrists and temples, and literally felt unable to move. Jack shook his head and then seized his hair. Leading him along by it, he shoved Ianto roughly onto the bed.

"Turn over," he ordered, and Ianto did as he was told.

"You know," Jack said conversationally. "I've given you a pretty long leash, wouldn't you say?"

"Yes, sir," Ianto got out, his words muffled into the mattress, but not wanting to turn to look at Jack until he knew it was okay to do so.

"And we see the result of that," he went on.

"Yes, sir," Ianto agreed, and then yelped with surprise, as Jack laid a sharp blow on his arse.

"Well, it's gonna be a short one for a while now," Jack remarked, before spanking him again, harder this time. "But you knew that, didn't you?"

"Yes, sir," Ianto gasped.

Before, when asked, he had said that he suspected he'd find this sort of thing unappealing and he and Jack had had a peculiar conversation about their childhood sins. But now he was doing it anyway and it hurt. Yet something about Jack's voice and manner caused the stinging pain to settle in his mind as hot sparks of arousal, and Ianto bit the pillow in a desperate bid to silence himself as Jack hit him again.

He felt the bed creak as Jack sat down on it and manhandled him so that he was draped over his lap. Ianto felt himself blush; the position was so ignominious. Jack had a hand on the back of his neck, forcing it down and then he laid on a series of hard, punishing spanks, and Ianto writhed under them, feeling tears well up in his eyes, but at the same time, his cock jerk and swell with each blow.

He was pushed off Jack's lap, and there was the sound of a zipper unfastening, the sound of the opening and shutting of a drawer, and then something cold and slick and wet -- Jack's fingers, greasing him. Then Jack's cock, shoving inside him, and Ianto gave a short, desperate, imploring cry, unable to imagine how he'd gone so long -- infinities, it felt like -- without this utterly essential feeling.

He knew his groans must be echoing throughout the room as Jack fucked him, the roughness of Jack's trousers against his welted arse making him shudder -- he hadn't even bothered to undress, Ianto thought, shivering with the shame of it. And yet, he wanted time to stop right here, so he could stay just like this, poised on the cusp of orgasm, with Jack, always Jack, above him, inside him, using him, writing and rewriting him with each stroke.

From somewhere distant, he found himself thinking that this was funny because nothing had changed. This thing between them, whatever face it wore, was always the same; whatever it might look like to other people, it was always Jack who made things happen, Jack who defined him and who had sculpted him 'til he was his alone, made him a creature solely of Jack's creation, completely at his mercy. And as Ianto cried out into the pillow in mingled pain and pleasure and also with a strange sense of mourning, he had never felt so completely grateful in his entire life.

Because it meant that in addition to thanking Jack for everything, he could blame him for everything too.



In a way, Jack was grateful that Ianto had given him something to be so angry about, above and beyond the investigatory mess of the last 24 hours, because it relieved Jack of any and all misgivings about fucking him like he was merely a body to use.

Except he wasn't, not really. Because he was still Ianto who had done this entirely ridiculous thing for him; Ianto who had made a completely psychotic judgment call which, he had to admit, did actually make sense in a certain light; Ianto who had more force in him than most people Jack had ever known and yet still always needed Jack to be stronger than him in the end, at least for now; and Ianto who had been made, it seemed, for Jack to be mesmerized by -- the rest of it, the emotions, that had just been random bad luck and human nature, the cruelty of circumstances. But the fascination? That part had always been some sort of unavoidable fact. Much like himself, he mused, wryly, as he slammed into the man, determined to come fast and hard.

Once he had, the temptation to just leave Ianto aching for his own release was more than a little seductive. So much so that he knew it was just a matter of time before he did tie the man to a bed and let him whimper and writhe while Jack contented himself with a book or caught up on his endless stack of paperwork. But this wasn't the moment for that. Rather he wanted Ianto to feel that leash shortening, tightening and dragging him to exactly where he wanted to be, regardless of how ready to admit it or not he was.

Jack pulled out of him and rolled him over and he leaned down in his face as he jerked him off.

"You're lucky I like you," he murmured. "And you're lucky I don't have time right now to torture you the way you deserve."

"Yes, sir," Ianto gasped, his voice strained.

"None of that," Jack said, not wanting things to get even more muddled between them than they'd always been. "That's not for this."

"Mean it anyway," Ianto said.

"I suppose you do," Jack said fondly and then twisted and squeezed and grinned as Ianto came all over his hand.

He watched Ianto quietly as the man gulped for air and seemed to relax towards sleep almost instantly. Jack chuckled. He supposed Ianto, and probably the rest of the team, had been up all night in perpetration of this particular horror.

It was strange to be loved in so many ways, he thought. And strange too, not to feel like he didn't deserve it. It just was, and he was lucky. And if they could do good work and he could keep them even halfway happy, the exchange might somehow manage to border on fair.

"Go to sleep," he said, wiping his hand on the simple, yes, but obviously expensive sheets Ianto had bought. He shook his head and ruffled Ianto's hair. "I'll wake you for dinner."

Ianto made a noise that never turned into words.

"And thank you," Jack said, as he killed the light and began to climb the ladder.

He never saw Ianto smile against the pillow in the dark.

***


When Jack came out of his office, he found the rest of the team as he'd expected -- making a pretence of work -- as much as you could with ears peeled for any noises from below.

He cocked an eyebrow at them, but didn't speak.

The silence drew out until Gwen obviously couldn't bear it anymore. "Where's Ianto?" she asked.

Jack smirked at her.

"He's not... dead, is he?" she asked, the joking tone masking real worry.

"Literally or metaphorically?" Jack inquired. When they stared, he laughed. "He's fine. He's asleep. And you all should be too, by the looks of things."

"You're not angry?" Martha asked.

"Oh, we'll have a little chat tomorrow," Jack said, with as much cheerful menace as he could muster. "With all of you. Ianto too. About mutiny. And lying. And explosive devices. And about how sneaking things into the Hub when I'm not paying attention isn't good for my trust issues, as you should know, Gwen, from the last time that happened."

They all winced, and Jack smiled.

"Think about that while you're falling asleep tonight," he advised, and, as they all just sat there, he added, "that means you're done for the day. Go on. Take the night off."

"But Jack--" Gwen began to protest.

"It wasn't a suggestion," Jack said cheerfully. "Get the hell out. I'll see you all bright and early, when we can continue this fascinating discussion and explore the consequences of your little foray into architectural planning."

He watched, arms folded, as they collected their things, and made their way sheepishly past him towards the lift. They exchanged some nervous glances, and Jack grinned.

"Don't worry about the Rift," he said, having seen them all look back towards their workstations -- probably thinking of all the work they still had to do. "I'll be here to take care of things."

As the lift carried them upward, Jack looked down towards where he knew Ianto was sleeping the sleep of the truly worn out and then back at the rest of his team, who were still steadily rising out of the Hub. He blew them a kiss.

"I promise," he added under his breath, knowing they couldn't hear him. "I'll always be here. Go be at home, just for a bit." He looked back again towards his office, thinking of the new space underneath it. "If I can have it, you should too."

end


Continue to the Jack/Nine/Rose prequel, And I Cannot Know How Long She Has Dreamed of All of You
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[identity profile] invaderwitch.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I absolutely love just how much quality dialogue you give us between not just Jack and Ianto, but all of the characters. And yea, that's a lame comment. But seriously, anything else I could think of has already been said a bazillion times.

You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to the Jack/Nine/Rose. And more Jack background, yes please, ma'am(s).

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. They're chatty folk!

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[identity profile] virginhuntress.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This is honestly one of the most amazing things I have ever read. The honesty of it all cuts like a KNIFE and it's one of the most realistic looks into how Torchwood REALLY changes people. As much as I love the occasional fluff and how everything works out in the end (TM), this... this is just too good for words.

*is amazed*

*mems like WHOA*

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much! We work hard to make sure that Torchwood's a bitch even when folks there get to have some good, quiet, pleasing times in the midst of it all.

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[identity profile] strangecreature.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I stumbled across this story when you folks were posting the third installment, I believe, and have been head over heels in love with it ever since... So you think I would've commented before now, huh? *shame*

That said, thank you for sharing this with us. I adore that you don't take any shortcuts and don't just feed us a magical quick-fix solution to some seriously complex problems. (I was particularly blown away with how you dealt with Jack's time underground, the fact that he's still recovering. I suspect the actual show writers won't have the nerve to touch on that.) It's obvious how much time and care you've put into this story and I wish more people in fandom were willing to do the same.

In conclusion, rock the heck on!

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. We really do write these folks from a place of love, as cliched as it sounds.

I think we're so fascinated with Torchwood because we've finally found something more complicated than our own lives, but obsessed with the same issues: loyalty, power, fidelity, love, memory and logistics and the way that the pat answers never quite work.

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[identity profile] copperbadge.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, man.

I haven't commented on this fic up till now -- I came to it with one of the earlier ones, then backtracked because as you said they're all tied together and you really do need to read from the start. I haven't commented because I feel so ambiguous about it. But I want to try and muddle out why because this really is a splendid piece of work you've got going. If nothing else it'll be a long juicy comment for you. :D

Nuts and bolts writing -- I don't think I need to tell you it's great. Your voice is unique and you've got a spare style that makes the descriptive portions flourish. That you are working hard and making a great story shows through clearly.

Some of it is genuinely laugh out loud funny, too -- I nearly choked laughing at "Dynamite is never the only option", and that's not the first time. There's a sweetness that shines through sometimes that's often missing from harsh fics, so that's nice to see.

But this is harsh, and unforgiving, and more messed up than I like to see these characters. Gloriously messed-up, but still. The problem for me, the reason I'm so ambiguous, is that it's so real. Which is good from an artistic point of view, but for me personally it's hard because I don't like seeing them as fucked up as they are in this. That's nothing against your take on them, I don't think it's OOC -- one of the great things about Torchwood is that it can be sweet or fucked-up, depending on how one views things. It's just -- unsettling, I think is the word, to see two characters I genuinely like doing and saying and thinking things that are at odds with my basic attitude towards them.

I'm not sure if I'm being clear or not; I think it's a question of interpretation, and while I believe your interpretation is valid it can also be deeply disturbing.

I dunno. I look forward to each installment and I always find them enjoyable, which I think says a lot -- that I can suspend my normal aversion to this level of dysfunction and still enjoy it. (The only thing I have a serious problem with is Jack's "diving"; I deeply believe he hates dying each and every time and never invites it, but I can buy his death at Ianto's hands. And the diving is a pretty a minor character differentiation, so it's not a dealbreaker for me.)

Er. So, short version -- this is messy and dark, and I like it a lot anyway. And this particular installment made me comment because there is just that touch more of sweetness in this one than in the others. I hope to see more, particularly in the vein of this installment.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
First, thank you so much, especially in light of the ways in which this isn't your cup of tea, which I really, really respect and get.

Kali and I are so entirely on Jack's and Ianto's side, but for us, we've had to have them go through this process in order to really build something for them. I totally respect this fic being too bleak for some people (and not even the first chapter, just their constant contortions with each other). Jack and Ianto are definitely my happy place, and there's lots of stuff I shy away from reading for those reasons. This isn't an arc if I was told about it being done by someone else, I'd necessarily be willing to jump into as a reader.

You will be pleased to know that I think the other Jack/Ianto stories in this arc (2 major ones and a little post-CERN one because it came to us today randomly, eventhough we've placed Lost Souls pre-Journey's End and pre-this piece, that will be in this vein in many ways). Circumstances may well be difficult, but they've reached a point here they have more growing to do together than they do at odds.

I actually have a long convoluted theory about Jack and the diving off roofs thing (which I can't even remember if it was Kali or I that came up with it initially) that I think would aleviate your concern about the casualness with which it's been addessed thus far, but probably totally unsettle you in other ways. Irefrain from mentioning it now, only because I'm not sure if it's going to come up in the later stories as something significant or not.

We're venturing into Jack and Ianto's pasts for a bit soon (although we're going to pst the CERN-related piece concurrent to the Jack/Rose/Nine were working on for people who aren't about that part of the tale), but Kali and I are very excited to finally be writing something for which we can, in fact, see an end in sight.

We both write a lot, together and seperately, fic and original work, and we love these guys in a way that's really surprised us compared to our usual process. I'm extremely glad that shines through the darkness, and am really grateful to you for sticking with this and noting it.

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[identity profile] quaxicoffelees.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
O:
Words cannot even begin to describe how amazing this was.
What with everything you did with the characterizations and thoughts and - and everything.
Wow. This was - wow.
I'm speechless at it's awesomeness.
:O

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. We try to juggle a lot in these and are grateful whenever it is noticed.

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oh bejesus. ok. i needed an entire day to sort out my thoughts to resemble something coherent, so here goes. i have a love/hate relationship with this entire series, and trust me the hate part isn't a bad thing so i guess i should jump in right there. i am not a straight fluff fan, never have been, and like a strong dose of angst to make the medicine go down, as it were. however, i do like things a bit fluffier than they are on the show. but i hate how fucking true this fic is--it's like the train wreck adage--i just can't turn away. it is beautiful and fucked up and painful and honest and it hurts and i love it so much. what kills me is that you were able to portray all of those things and still tell a beautiful love story that isn't enough and too much all at the same time. that you were able to paint them so aptly as two characters who won't admit this, won't fully commit to this for fear of what comes on the other side. which is completely in canon and in character and all that they give us on the show. i copied and pasted a million things and realized that this would be a bit rambling rose as it were, so i have to pick just the one:

He closed his eyes and wound his fingers tightly into Ianto's hair. It would be all right. Somehow. Because of this angry, broken man who just happened to make him happy.

Fuck.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you very much, and I'm quite glad to hear that all those pieces are there for you.

I think we never want to be seen as gratuitously rewarding or torturing the boys. No matter how extraordinary or awful their cirumstances, I think we are really question for a certain sort of ordinary in what we are writing for them.

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[personal profile] rhianona 2008-09-11 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
You do such a great job at showing the complexity of the Jack and Ianto relationship; not just with each other, but also with others. I love that, even as Jack is struggling to remember who and what he was to Ianto, and Ianto is struggling to define himself, both in relation to Jack, and in relation to TW, it's still fairly clear that they are partners in whatever weird form they have.

I like that Ianto doesn't back down from Gwen at all and that he has such a clear idea of who she is. It was also nice to see Martha's POV, however brief it was, on the dynamics of TW-3.

Lastly, I really love the intimacies between Jack and Ianto in this - and not just the sex. But the talking and the sheer honesty that is brought out in this. Great addition to this series.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

One of the things we talked about in writing this is how we've never sen Jack and Ianto do that thing when you hook up with someone new and you're smitten and you tell each other various small stories from your life that don't seem important but are and vice versa -- they haven't had time for that and they both have weird pre-knowledge of each other through work and Torchwood documentation. We really wanted to give them a chance to do that here, so I'm thrilled you picked up on it.

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I absoluetly adored this and after I finished I had to go back and read all the others in the series. Kinda did it backwards, I know, but it made for a great night filled with wonderful characterization, solid prose, and an addictive plotline that I inhaled until it was gone. Wonderful work and I can't wait to read more!

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much! The great thing about TW/DW is one can argue that any sequence of reading or writing anything is valid and workable.

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[identity profile] athaari.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this series to a ridiculous degree. I'm a sucker for serious D/s depiction and I really want to love this installment.

It's just that I can't relate to the D/s aspect here, because I can't comprehend why they would do it.
Before this, it felt more emotional, like something they wanted to do. Now it appears they do it because they don't know any other way to be intimate with each other. I almost wrote 'communicate', but I guess that's pretty much off the menu for now.
While reading it, I also had the feeling that the emotional detachment between them was increasing rather than dissipating, as you portrayed it in the previous stories, which, to me, was a bit contrary to Ianto's inner dialogue when he and Gwen were stuck in the time lock.
One could say, that for Jack it's merely a way to escape himself, emotional attachment and the bleak fate of living forever; and that Ianto would do anything for him. It just seems like great leap between Many Of My Favourite Things Are Broken and this one.

Interpreting complicated relationships in sophisticated pieces has never been my forte, so I'm hoping you'll push into the right direction.

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for reading and commenting (and your love of the series); we appreciate it greatly.

Sorry however that the d/s didn't work for you! To explain where we were coming from: I guess, in a lot of ways, we have been, throughout this whole series, using sex as another -- perhaps even primary -- avenue of communication. Which is why they're so porny in general; they are guys who don't talk to each other that much. So, in this segment - where we were actually trying to show the two of them healing after Many of My Favorite Things Are Broken - we have Jack & Ianto spending a lot of time having those post coital conversations about their past that you do, idly, when you're first falling in love with someone and everything is new.

As for the d/s:

One could say, that for Jack it's merely a way to escape himself, emotional attachment and the bleak fate of living forever; and that Ianto would do anything for him.

I think this is much more true for the sex in Many Of My Favourite Things Are Broken actually. In this one, though, Jack's not so much dealing with relationship fallout via Torchwood & Ianto -- he's recovering from things that happened outside it - i.e. the events of "Journey's End." Jack left the Doctor - arguably most important person in his life -- feeling as if he'd disappointed him. He's still all burnt up about "letting" Tosh & Owen die. He feels like all of those things are his fault. And he wants to let go of it. That's where he's coming from. It's not about his relationship with Ianto at all, really. On the other hand, Ianto, as always, wants to do whatever he can to a) assert his importance in Jack's life, and b) provide whatever Jack needs in any circumstance.

This all aside from the fact that they both have kinky sides, and just think it's pretty hot.

While power games are never gonna be absent from the lives of these boys (impossible to avoid when the power between them is so continually imbalances), I don't see them as having a traditional D/s relationship per se. They switch things up a lot.

Anyway, hopefully you will enjoy the forthcoming segments more =) Thanks again for your feedback.

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Oh my God, there is so much to say, I don't know where to start...I've read the hole series but this is actually my first time commenting, sorry about that. First I just want to say: Thank You!

I really mean that, you offer up a whole, moving, continuous experience with this series. I could spend ages just reading through all the analysis in the comments, you really have such insight and this story seems to inspire other to share theirs as well. Awesome!

I don't know if this is my favourite piece of fanfic in this fandom but I think I can honestly say that it is one of the BEST pieces (this goes for the whole series) I have read. (favourite and best not being the same at all to me, which seems to confuse some people so I thought I should clarify that) Having said that it is rapidly becoming a favourite as well.

I think I have like every story more than the previous and this is my favourite of them. Not because it is fluffier (though I have a bit of a kind for believable fluff - very unusual) but because there was a sense of approaching healing in there. I loved that they are messed up and I think they always will be, but at the same time I adore a chance to see them grow and learn without it turning in to a magic fix it. You have an excellent sense of that, I think. They can heal some and still be messed up, still be scarred, still have more wounds that are left to fester. This is interesting as well as realistic, often I find that fanfic is either or - an interesting idea that isn't carried out well, or realistic portrayal that does really bring anything new.

This is the absolute best interpretation of the Jack/Ianto relationship I have come across. While I don't always "agree" with your vision of how it plays out in actions you have the emotions, their views and opinions about each other, themselves and the relationship, as well the circumstances of torchwood and Jack's imomrtality down so well it blows my mind. Even when scenes you write feel like they couldn't possibly fit in my personal canon I always respect them as wholly believable. I choose one interpretation and you another, but I never feel like what you write is anything less than true (if that makes sense at all). Your series has a really well built foundation. That is really impressive, a lot of fiction (fanfic, original fiction on and off the internet) lack that, even torchwood, which is why this is such a gift for someone who likes to analyse the characters.

(Anonymous) 2008-09-12 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
So sorry for ranting on, but I had a few specifics I wanted to praise as well (see, nice excuse, isn't it?). The lifespan of Jack as you describe it is brilliant, also the discussion of it in comments. I really like what was said about the lack of one true love forever not actually diminishing the emotions. Even if Jack loved Ianto as much as any human being can possibly love another, this would fade with time and he would find love as strong again and again. A lot of readers (including myself) and writers I think struggle with this fact. It is simply hard to accept because the lifespan of Jack is hard to really accept. Relationships can never carry the same relative weight in the big picture for him as they do for us and a lot of people tend to think that means everything weighs less for Jack even in non relative terms, which I can't and don't want to believe. Romantics sometimes want to fix this by giving Ianto enormous, extra special, weight in Jacks life, but that is completely unrealistic. Jack had his whole existence altered by Rose and the Doctor and I'm not sure even they will amount to the relative importance of normal persons partner in a solid, long term relationship.


I could write a novel here so I'll just mention one last thing: the interaction between Ianto and Gwen is amazing! I have never liked Gwen in fiction as much as I do here. I tend to either find she is glorified and made out to be the only character capable of compassion and emotions not completely centered around herself (they are all emotional people damn it, not cybermen in need of Gwen's reprogramming! Sorry, off topic) or bashed beyond recognition. You write her as likable and annoying, insightful and yet stuck in her own views of what is a happy relationship. Something was said in the comments about Gwen's power to make people open up. I find that interesting but I'm not sure I agree. I think Gwen's ability is really to ask the right questions, I don't think Ianto reveals anything to her that he would not be willing to say to anyone else if they sought the information. That is not opening up in my opinion, he shared something, but he didn't talk because he felt he had to or because he thought it would make him feel better, he explained to her the circumstances which she misunderstood. I found in a way that the whole conversation turned 180 degrees around from what she intended with it. She was certainly curious, even nosy, but she came from a caring place - she wanted to help. Instead Ianto tried to tech her something about life at torchwood, not helping her per se, but he was the one to offer insight. Their different views on relationships is extremely in character and I think you pegged for me the importance of Gwen, in TW the organisation and the TV series. She offers a perspective they have lost track of, a point of view they no longer have since their lives have been swallowed by TW. Yes, she offers empathy and a caring heart, but I don't actually think TW was lacking that before, just the initiative to act on it. She is not, as sometimes seen in fandom, a selfish sanctimonious bitch or a martyr or a saint, she is a caring human being with very strong feelings about the right to normality and "fairness" (meaning happiness to her) - for TW employees, victims and innocent bystanders. I feel that when I watch TW, this was maybe the fist time I really did while reading fic.


Lastly, Ianto's view about the lack of "playing house" with Jack is brilliant. That is not who they are and it doesn't seem they ever could be, but they can still be happy, and in love. The inner struggle of not wanting more than he can have is great. He wants what he already has with Jack, doesn't want it to change in that way, but maybe he can't quite silence the subconscious part of him that is still holding on to the domestic fantasy. Hope is tricky, wonderful and dangerous. I keep coming back to that in this series, for all of the characters. There are lots of underlying themes and I'm not sure that one was entirely intentional, but that really gets to me...


Ok, so maybe I wrote that novel after all. Are you still awake? Thanks for the story and for (hopefully) putting up with my rambling!

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[personal profile] threewalls 2008-09-12 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Very compelling interpersonal drama, both between Jack and Ianto, and the two with all the other characters. I particularly liked Gwen and Ianto's ongoing conversation about what Ianto and Jack are to each other contrasting with Jack and Ianto's regarding the same.

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much! As Mickey says, they are kind of a soap opera, aren't they? And thanks for picking up on the two parallel threads of Gwen and Ianto's conversation, and Jack & Ianto's. We were trying to tell this story in multiple layers, and it's great to have that noticed.

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[identity profile] enkanowen.livejournal.com 2008-09-13 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
HAH! I knew it! Knew that it was going to end with Jack reversing the roles again. Because their relationship is that fluid and Ianto was spinning out of control a bit, confused and muddled but ready to draw lines (wanting his apartment back and such) and do ridiculous things.

Can't be anything but love if he's willing to blow up the Hub ;)

I like the almost feeling of a happy ending, but it's not. It can't be. It won't be. Jack's back in charge, he's got a larger bed downstairs, Ianto keeps his flat and Jack can think of the Hub as home again. Seems perfect, doesn't it? But in the back of my head I know it won't stay like that and you infused that into the writing. It won't last. It never does. Live in the fucking moment, bitches... that kind of thing ;)

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Thank you for this comment, it is both awesome and very funny.

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[identity profile] better-late24.livejournal.com 2008-09-14 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. I'd found 2 parts of this at different times before, "A Strange Fashion of Forsaking" and "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World," and hadn't realized they were connected, let alone part of a SERIES. Hell, I had "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" bookmarked to add the next time I updated my list of recs (yes, I rec things without even commenting sometimes, I'm trying to give feedback more).

Just blew through the whole series in the past 2 nights and wow...how unbelievable fucked up and perfect, at the same time. And the way you handled the aftermath of End of Days was real, and brutal, and completely rang true. You've hit on a lot of kinks that I consider a bit more out-there (while I still love them, of course), and every single one of them was amazingly hot.

Kudos to this, I'm reccing the whole series and sincerely hope for more!

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-14 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. We're always interested to hear how people are finding this (we suspect bits and pieces readers for all sorts of reasons, including a few kinks that are either less common or fairly squick-inducing).

There will be more.

Soon we'l be looking at Jack's time with teh Dotor before we can move frward in the Jack/Ianto story, but we'll also be posting a post-CERN piece to keep the folks who are less interested in that busy at the same time.

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[identity profile] dvanulya.livejournal.com 2008-09-14 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey. I've just read THE WHOLE FREAKING THING, starting with A Strange Fashion of Forsaking, even though I had already read through The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. Why? I have a life, of sorts, a job to go to, etc... Yet I awoke from a sound sleep at 4 am with the *need* to finish this fic. And now that I'm finished, I really want nothing more than to go back and start it again, in the hopes of finding something new, which I know I will, and also finding a new part written, which is considerably less likely.

I really don't know how you two have managed to keep this juggernaut in motion, but it's almost perfect and makes me want to laugh and cry.

Maybe with some distance I can comment more coherently, but I didn't want to leave it too long. Right now, all I can think to write is that the back-and-forthing, together, that your Jack and Ianto are doing is just...thrilling, maybe? I don't know; suddenly my vocabulary isn't adequate.

Thanks for this.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. We've been cowriters for a long time and always find these things have an energy and a set of demands of their own, but it is strange, as much so for us as the reader, I think.

Chances are you'll see the next piece (or rather pieces, we're going to post a small Lost Souls piece as well as the Jack/Rose/Nine installment concurrently next) in about two weeks. It usually takes us 7 - 10 days to churn something out after we have a story meeting, and our next one is scheduled for Tuesday.

Anyway, thank you again. It means a lot to us when readers feel engaged with their process of doing the work.

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[identity profile] wishyouwashhere.livejournal.com 2008-09-14 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this series and this chapter, thank you. Your Mickey and Martha, characters who I usually find boring beyond words in fic, are great. The dialogue is wonderful, quick-moving, and challenging. So many great lines that I could quote; I'll just start with 'love with an open hand' but I could go on and on...

Jack/Ianto are a happy place for me too (as I read in an earlier comment), and I do find that sometimes I yearn for the fluffiness here, but your writing keeps me coming back for more and I'm so glad that I do. Each sentence is worth reading...it's a rare treat.

Looking forward to the next ones very much...I usually avoid Doctor/Jack/Rose, but I would have said the same about some of the other bridges that you've crossed and I've loved them all, so very happy to dive off the roof myself into whatever comes next. Thanks!

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And you're welcome.

We think so much of the messae of the Who universe is that everything and everyone can have value and beauty, so it's important to us to write even minor (for us!) characters that way, even when the show doesn't.

We really want to show how that relationship helped to form who Jack is (we're also going to be doing a Ianto prequel so we can look at how he got the way he is) before we go on to some of the next developments in Jack and IAnto's story together.

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[personal profile] exbentley 2008-09-17 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
I should track that tag instead of scanning through the fandom newsletter for your two LJ names. Oops.


I hate coming to the end of a fic and finding I don't have anything to say, but I really don't! Breathtaking. I think it's obvious by now how I feel about everything you write; I think what struck home hardest for me here were his thoughts and comments on Rose. Your writing is elegant, magical, and yet realistic — as always. I think I might have more to say after I've listened to Stars on repeat a little and reread the entire thing, but consider my initial reaction an absolute standing ovation.

Stop outdoing yourself, ladies, it makes me envious.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-17 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much.

We do encourage everyone to use the tags, because the next piece doesn't have Ianto in it, and we're not sure we'll be able to promote it on the Torchwood coms for that reason (then he'll return). So it might be slightly harder to come across than usual. We're expecting to have it up certainly before the month is out.

Again, thank you. And more Rose soon.

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I was thrilled to see this updated again! I just blazed right through all 4 parts because I couldn't stop reading! The dynamic you have between Jack and Ianto and the power play between the two of them is so utterly fascinating. You had Ianto in control for so long and then WHAM all of a sudden Jack was back in control. And btw...they were both hot! Sorry to see this going on hiatus for a while but will look forward to its return.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-09-18 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much.

It won't be long at all. Just a single Jack/Rose/Nine piece and then we're on to Ianto's backstory and then bakc to the boys. We'll also be opsting a CERN Jack/Ianto tidbit to keep folks busy!

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[identity profile] laurab1.livejournal.com 2008-09-18 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes :) Perfect companion to Journey's End. Loved seeing everybody.

Oh, and so very hot, too.

You could plug your Nine/Jack/Rose on [livejournal.com profile] dwfiction and [livejournal.com profile] better_with_3.

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Thank you so much! I knew about [livejournal.com profile] dwfiction but [livejournal.com profile] better_with_3 is new to me, so yay.

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I love this fic series. It seems to express perfectly what relationship plausibly exists between the characters on the show as portrayed (no happy endings for Torchwood). I especially love how you don't avoid or gloss over the uncomfortable aspects: the effects of the buried alive stint, the fact that Jack will love other people after Ianto, that he will someday forget Ianto. Though I usually have to go read some fluffy fic to soothe myself after an installment of this.

But you know all that because everyone else has said so. The main reason I'm commenting is to say, title! Stars! I just saw them live tonight, and now I'm on a giddy music squee. "Here it comes, here comes the first step, it starts in our bedroom after the war."

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2008-10-31 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Heheheh thank you so much.

I am eternally sort of out of the loop on current music, so that's all Kali. This was a title we'd been dying to use for some time, but it wasn't until we really understood where this piece was going that we could use it.

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[identity profile] kitacarlsen.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 01:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, this crazy fucked-up relationship Jack and Ianto have. It feels like this installment grew organically from the last, and yet I'm much more wary of their relationship here. They're much closer in a lot of ways, but... there's a sense of distance creeping in that I never noticed before. Perhaps because from the outside looking in, they're much more like a traditional relationship now, so the omission of romantic trappings is starting to show more? Or maybe it's this line of Ianto's, from after Jack takes back the reins in the bedroom and Ianto is thinking about how how grateful he is that everything he has become, he owes to Jack:

Because it meant that in addition to thanking Jack for everything, he could blame him for everything too.

That's heavy. It just highlights... they're closer. They're (voluntarily and with intent, and how awesome is that?) giving each other their full attention, wresling the most love they can from a relationship that is fundamentally limited. They are both focusing on Ianto's mortality now (eep!), which is more healthy than what they were doing, but...

I guess the sense I got from this fic is that what they have now is a love, but not a romance. It feels more like they're using each other here -- in mutually beneficial ways, to be sure, but still, there's a level at which they're not connecting. They're giving each other what they need -- but are they getting what they want? They won't have forever, they both know that -- but are they settling for too little? And how much of this powerplay has started edging into the unhealthy, a way to express uncommunicated resentment about their fundamental inequalities?

And the team command structure/dynamics seemed to reflect that distance, as well. By the end of the fic you know a lot of that will go away once the active-lying-to-Jack stops, but I think they will still be more dysfunctional than they should be. It's like, Ianto's growing leadership abilities and Gwen's growing (completely different) leadership abilities and Jack's recovering-more-by-the-day leadership abilities are all butting heads and they don't even realize it... I don't know! You guys have me all a-whirl!

*flappy hands*

As for the rest of the fic: DYNAMITE IS NEVER THE ONLY OPTION fucking cracked me up. Funniest line I've read in a long time. Also, you hit my bulletproof kink with the spankings. Just, um, good job! Even though the last one felt... darker and angrier than I generally prefer. Hmm. And I'm very much not familiar with DW canon, but I really liked the other characters in this. They felt fleshed-out and real. Martha's observations, especially, seemed spot-on. And I loved the backstory Jack has started (voluntarily! woo!) giving Ianto. The bits with Rose and the Doctor, and the bits we keep seeing trickle in from his childhood -- just awesome.

So, this chapter has me concerned for their relationship. It was really, amazingly well-written, and it left me off-balance and worried. Great job, once again. :)

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
*grins* I have to say, reading this was so fascinating! Most people read the post-Exit Wounds story and cursed us for our darkitty-darkness, and then read this one, and breathed an audible sigh of fluffy relief. *laughs*

Honestly, I think they're all pretty dark, and they all come from a place of love - their relationship is really complex - but that's not very different from most relationships. And frankly, they're both pretty fucked up guys. But they love each other. And like all such relationships, it varies between being domestic and romantic. This was pretty much about the domestic in that it was about coming home. And in some ways, the position of... I don't know... equality? that they'd come to at the end of Many of My Favorite Things Are Broken was unnatural. It was right, and an important stage in their relationship - but really, Jack is, and always will be larger than Ianto's mind can hope to compass. So this was meant to sort of be an affirmation of that fact; hopefully, what came across in the power play sex part was that, Ianto - even, and perhaps especially, when he tops - is always trying to be what Jack wants and needs.

But in the end, yes, it's Torchwood - and it's never, ever going to go smooth. (Mal would despair! Then again, never goes smooth for him either.)

Glad you liked the kink! We had a very fun time composing it. *g*

So glad the other characters worked for you - especially since you're not a DW fan. And also, Jack's history. We had the best time coming up with that stuff.

More soon! Oh, and if you're in need of some soothing after this one - we've got Up, Down, Strange, Charm, Truth, Beauty: or, A Child's Guide to Modern Physics (http://kalichan.livejournal.com/153911.html) which is a little bit of candy we wrote as a coda to the radio play - though I've been told it works even if you've not heard that. Although it actually takes place before this piece you just read, so may not alleviate your concerns for their relationship.

Anyway, thank you again for these incredible pieces of feedback. We are just blown away. Hope you enjoy what's to come! Besides the Jack/Doctor/Rose prequel we've got up, and the Ianto prequel we're working on now, there are two installments left before this series is done.

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Oh, oh, oh! Things are definitely churned. I loved this although I usually do not like SMBD type stuff. But I understood this so well. The motivation and the actual love that stood behind what Ianto was trying to do for Jack. Such a strong Ianto brought out here. He is all things to Jack and this was a kind of proof of that.(Do I sound like I am talking about real people here.) Anyway your characters are so finely drawn I keep forgetting this is all fiction. And in the end the room for Jack to hide away in again, a bed big enough for both of them; and right back to the Jack and Ianto dynamic that we are all in love with. These wonderful flawed and human characters that love and fight and breathe are so much dearer to my heart since I found your stories. Thanks ladies for expanding my world and my mind.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2009-01-06 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much and so sorry for the delayed response. I'm discovering all sorts of comments that slipped through today (that's the problem with cowriting, we often thing if we're busy the other one will deal with it!)

[identity profile] qaffangyrl.livejournal.com 2009-01-03 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
a very interesting window into what may have been. well done.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2009-01-06 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] troygirl68.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
*big grin* Ianto & Jack got a happy ending, so to speak.

Bravo!!!

[identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Well, we had to leave them in a happy place -- before spending time with the prequels! *grins*

Where did you start again? I can't remember... Was it with "There Are Some Men Who Should Have Mountains..."?

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[identity profile] mcparrot.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And you've done it again. Another brilliant fic.
You girls are nearly putting me off trying to write anything of my own again. You are a real hard act to follow.
I must say that bsm (is that the right term, not my thing so don't really know) like this is less disturbing than Jack's little mind fuck you had him giving Ianto in the post lost souls story. I felt that was rather abusive of him (sorry, should probably have noted that in the comments for that chapter, but it was late when I read that)but this doesn't feel abusive at all. This is about giving over control isn't it, and trusting the other person to look after you even as they hurt you.
Still not my thing but I can definitely see these two playing these sorts of games.
As usual your dynamic and voices are perfect.
And I think however that I might just about have had enough of angsty Jack. I need to see the cheesy boss man back, even if just for a bit to give us the contrast and make the angst hurt more.I also need to remind myself (and this is something I have trouble with in my fices) how very clever he is.
Great read.
Looking forward to the prequel bits.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2009-08-09 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, and sorry again for the long delayed comment.

That thing in our Lost Souls piece was really fucked up. Some of the worst behavior we get from Jack, without a doubt, even as his mode is often to push other people into acting rationally by behaving badly himself. There are lots of places we've had this story called on Jack's actions being not okay, but that's the one place where I'm always going to step up and agree with people.

[identity profile] verasteine.livejournal.com 2009-04-05 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ehm, wow? It seems a decided understatement for this instalment. I'm amazed. The slow way in which Ianto and Jack are trying to find their way around... While they themselves are thinking everything is fine, I'm sensing it's not, until suddenly at the end, you're showing the dawn at the end of a very long night. I'm loving this. Absolutely adoring this Ianto, and loving this vision of Jack. Thank you very much.

[identity profile] rm.livejournal.com 2009-08-09 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
And thank you. Really. Delayed comment and not much to say for this end, but we lived with these characters for the months it took to write this, and we're still living with them, even as were on to other versions in our current projects, and it always _always_ matters to us to see them get the love.

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