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You guys. So... a couple of days ago, [livejournal.com profile] rm said, "Hey, you coming to the Doctor Who New York meet-up?"

And I said, "Uh... do I ever?"

And she said, "...Paul Cornell's1 gonna be there."

And I said, "Oh."

Thus it was that tonight, I girded up my loins, and called up [livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl and said, "hey, want to come to this thing at this pub and meet Paul Cornell?"

And she (being much smarter than me) said, "Hell, yeah."

So we did.

Dude, it was AWESOME. I made an ass of myself only twice! Once, when we were all chatting, and the conversation turned to BBC Robin Hood? And I was like, "Wow, that show was terrible. I watched the pilot, and then (because it's not fair to judge a show merely on the basis of the pilot)... I tried to watch another one, but was unable to get through it."

And he said (in his innimitably charming British way), "Er... hope that wasn't one of my episodes."

You guys can probably picture the look on my face?

He hastened to add that he didn't think less of me. I believe his exact words were, "I'm not proud..."

([livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl quickly covered for me, making sure that he knew I hadn't made it to one of his while I tried not to swallow my own tongue in embarrassment.)

AND THEN, unsatisfied with the sheer level of savoir faire I'd displayed thus far, when he brought up sexism and homophobia in genre television? (He was talking about how there was a lot of sexism and homophobia in genre tv, but he didn't think that just because characters have drama (and bad things happen to them), means that the show is sexist) and I decided that would be a good time to tell him about [livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl's and my argument about Steven Moffat.

"So," I say, "I mean, I think he's a fabulous writer and everything, but there have been accusations of sexism, and I have to say that she and I watched Coupling together... and though she disagrees with me, frankly, I think it is incredibly sexist..." (I was going to go on to say that it didn't mean I wasn't a fan of his Doctor Who episodes...)

But I am interrupted. "Er...," he says, all but scuffing his feet, "before you go on, in the interests of well, everyone, I have to tell you that Steven was the best man at my wedding, and I was the best man at his, so..."

You guys can definitely picture the look on my face now, right??? Yeah, take that previous look and multiply by... a billion.

He saw the look too, and hurriedly said, "I have to tell you that I spend most of my life apologizing for him though. We go into a room, and five minutes later, I'm all, 'yeah, sorry about the village, he didn't mean it really' and if we're lucky, we make it out without being killed. So I completely get where you're coming from."

As you can see, I have clearly missed my calling as a socialite.

Even despite all this, I had a brilliant time. Seriously, he was very smart and cool, we actually got to talk in detail about writing process, doctor who in specific & fandom in general, being social when you have social anxiety...and spend most of your time behind a keyboard, and the art of writing villains. It was great, and hearing him talk about story boarding with Russel and Steven and David fucking Tennant, was fairly squee inducing. He was completely gracious, and made sure to talk to everyone in the pub, but he came back to our group at least three times, which was pretty rocking. He and [livejournal.com profile] rm got to bond about the clusterfuck their panel at Gallifrey is gonna be, and basically, he was charming, funny, and despite my attack of foot-in-mouth disease seemed charmed by us, which is always nice.

Yeah. I may need to do this meeting people thing more often. It was fairly spectacular. The pub also seemed to have a live band? Which had... an itinerant flautist? Seriously. He wandered around the pub playing his flute. There was an attempt made to get him to play the Doctor Who theme, but it failed. Instead, endless renditions of Michael Jackson's ouevre. You haven't lived till you've heard "Beat It" played on the flute, bass, and synthesizer.


1You may know Paul Cornell as author of DW episodes such as "Father's Day", "Human Nature", and "Family of Blood".

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
also, fanfiction!

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
? Did we talk about fanfic? I may have been a couple of ciders in at that point. But, right, he did talk about ficcers becoming writers. That was pretty fucking cool.

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Yeah, just that, but it was still pretty crazy in its unabashedness.

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mellacita.livejournal.com
LOL!

I am not laughing at you. I am laughing with you. Because I would totally be the one saying the same things and then adopting a "d'oh!" face.

Regardless, what a cool opportunity. Thanks for sharing it.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
Hahahaha. Your icon says it all really.

Yeah, don't worry, I'm laughing at me too! Oh well. I suppose being a total idiot can make one stand out? He was a terribly good sport about it all too.

LOL.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mellacita.livejournal.com
Yes! You can just consider it as making an impression in a world of interchangeable Who fen.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lefaym.livejournal.com
Haha, that's great. :) I love Cornell's episodes.

As for sexism in Moffat's episodes -- I definitely agree that it's there, but I don't think it's any better in Rusty's episodes, it just tends to manifest itself in a different way. Of course, Moffat was silly enough to say some very misogynist things in interviews, so...

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
For me, I don't actually find Moffat's DW episodes sexist per se or more sexist than the rest of DW... which is a show about a guy who is the awesomest being in the universe, so it all revolves around him, and he is male. It doesn't do much to rectify sexism, but I don't really see that it propagates it either. I can find misogyny in all of it if I look really hard, but I can do that with most of the things I love, honestly.

Coupling, on the other hand, I do find sexist, and I think it's the same things that he says in interviews. coming out. I'd certainly never describe him as a feminist writer. And if DW S5 has that tonal quality, I'll be rather disappointed. But I don't actually think it will.

I'm far more worried that the Doctor will become even more romantic in his hands however. But still... *crosses fingers and hopes for the best*

Cornell was totally awesome. I liked his episodes a lot, and now that I've met him, I fangirl him even more actually.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lefaym.livejournal.com
My worry with Moffat and romance is that he'll have the Doctor fall in love with a new woman every episode, without any ongoing development. He'll have a new soulmate every week, and then we'll never hear from her again, a la, Reinette and River Song. At least Rusty's romances tended to have a bit more substance to them.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kel-reiley.livejournal.com
i have no words other than 'COOL!"
and also, i can commiserate with you on the social awkwardness

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
lol. Thank you!

Yeah, it was really awesome. Also everyone involved with new!Who is such a fan. Like he was telling us about how they all used to write fic and stuff. Isn't that so neat???

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kel-reiley.livejournal.com
it is

we all need to be crazy about something else and revive it or something

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Date: 2009-02-10 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaddeusfavour.livejournal.com
That's a funny story. He does sound charming. It's been my experience at Dragon*Con, that the British folk who come are very gracious. Anthony Daniels was an excellent MC for the Masquerade for a couple of years. Wit and style and took it all in stride.

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Date: 2009-02-10 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
As if I needed another reason to be an anglophile? *grins* clearly my "philias" are just out of control!!! *laughs*

ooh. Anthony Daniels. *is envious*

I think the Who people are especially charming because they know what it's like to be us, you know? They are all very steeped in fandom.

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Date: 2009-02-10 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Certainly true. I guess that's the advantage of having such a long-running series: those who were brought up on it end up feeding their love back into it. Ergo, they understand intimately the love fans bear for the series.

Sounds like you had an amazing time! I'm only sorry I couldn't make it in! (But I'll be at Gally - see you there, yes?) I'd love to hear more on the ficcers-becoming-writers bit you were all talking about.

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Date: 2009-02-10 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magnetgirl.livejournal.com
MADE of awesome. That's really all I can say.

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Date: 2009-02-10 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
Cornell? Or my post?

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Date: 2009-02-10 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusty_halo.livejournal.com
Awww. What a great opportunity. I'm glad you had fun. :)

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
hehehe. ♥ your icon!

It was pretty awesome. Though am still jealous of you going to Gally!

We should do movie night after you guys get back.

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Date: 2009-02-10 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusty_halo.livejournal.com
Thanks. :) Let's definitely do a movie night soon--I'll be in touch when we get back.

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Date: 2009-02-10 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troygirl68.livejournal.com
Well you guys sure are cool! No wonder he came back to your table 3 times. And we all know how smart you are, and you no doubt had lots of interesting things to say, even if you aren't convinced of that or your social skills.

I agree with the Robin Hood; I recently got series 1 from the library, thinking if I started at the beginning I might get it. I gave up 3 episodes in. Not that I'm superficial or anything, but one of its many failings was the unhotness of Maid Marian. :) (However, HB and I have started watching Firefly and are LOVING it).

You thought Coupling was sexist? I would have said stereotyped, banal, and only very occasionally cringingly funny. Good job I wasn't there!

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Date: 2009-02-11 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
FIREFLY is the best thing ever. Seriously, I love every minute of every episode, I think.

And yes, re: Maid Marian. What is up with her chin??

*grins* I had a good time talking to him, which is amazing for how ridiculous I was with the foot-in-mouth disease. But here's the thing I always forget about fandom which is that: pretty much there's no way not to win. Being at least a marginally attractive girl who bathes regularly, and doesn't actually live under a rock, and comes out of the house... not often, perhaps, but more than once a month.

Hahah. Wish you had been there! *g*

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Date: 2009-02-11 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodlon.livejournal.com
...

WHY DO I LIVE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE AWESOME?!

Seriously, I failed to connect all of these dots somehow. That's effing brilliant. And really funny in a "open mouth, insert foot" kind of way. Still, wildly heartened by how awesome he was for you. WIN.

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Date: 2009-02-11 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
I DO NOT KNOW. Perhaps you should move! Or visit????

Yeah, I was terribly amused, which is funny, because normally embarrasment makes me want to crawl into a hole and pull it in after me? But he was such a gentleman, it was pretty hard to resist. *g*

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Date: 2009-02-11 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
P.S. Maybe it's a writer thing? They are nice to fellow geeks, usually. They understand from whence we come.

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