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You guys. So... a couple of days ago, [livejournal.com profile] rm said, "Hey, you coming to the Doctor Who New York meet-up?"

And I said, "Uh... do I ever?"

And she said, "...Paul Cornell's1 gonna be there."

And I said, "Oh."

Thus it was that tonight, I girded up my loins, and called up [livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl and said, "hey, want to come to this thing at this pub and meet Paul Cornell?"

And she (being much smarter than me) said, "Hell, yeah."

So we did.

Dude, it was AWESOME. I made an ass of myself only twice! Once, when we were all chatting, and the conversation turned to BBC Robin Hood? And I was like, "Wow, that show was terrible. I watched the pilot, and then (because it's not fair to judge a show merely on the basis of the pilot)... I tried to watch another one, but was unable to get through it."

And he said (in his innimitably charming British way), "Er... hope that wasn't one of my episodes."

You guys can probably picture the look on my face?

He hastened to add that he didn't think less of me. I believe his exact words were, "I'm not proud..."

([livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl quickly covered for me, making sure that he knew I hadn't made it to one of his while I tried not to swallow my own tongue in embarrassment.)

AND THEN, unsatisfied with the sheer level of savoir faire I'd displayed thus far, when he brought up sexism and homophobia in genre television? (He was talking about how there was a lot of sexism and homophobia in genre tv, but he didn't think that just because characters have drama (and bad things happen to them), means that the show is sexist) and I decided that would be a good time to tell him about [livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl's and my argument about Steven Moffat.

"So," I say, "I mean, I think he's a fabulous writer and everything, but there have been accusations of sexism, and I have to say that she and I watched Coupling together... and though she disagrees with me, frankly, I think it is incredibly sexist..." (I was going to go on to say that it didn't mean I wasn't a fan of his Doctor Who episodes...)

But I am interrupted. "Er...," he says, all but scuffing his feet, "before you go on, in the interests of well, everyone, I have to tell you that Steven was the best man at my wedding, and I was the best man at his, so..."

You guys can definitely picture the look on my face now, right??? Yeah, take that previous look and multiply by... a billion.

He saw the look too, and hurriedly said, "I have to tell you that I spend most of my life apologizing for him though. We go into a room, and five minutes later, I'm all, 'yeah, sorry about the village, he didn't mean it really' and if we're lucky, we make it out without being killed. So I completely get where you're coming from."

As you can see, I have clearly missed my calling as a socialite.

Even despite all this, I had a brilliant time. Seriously, he was very smart and cool, we actually got to talk in detail about writing process, doctor who in specific & fandom in general, being social when you have social anxiety...and spend most of your time behind a keyboard, and the art of writing villains. It was great, and hearing him talk about story boarding with Russel and Steven and David fucking Tennant, was fairly squee inducing. He was completely gracious, and made sure to talk to everyone in the pub, but he came back to our group at least three times, which was pretty rocking. He and [livejournal.com profile] rm got to bond about the clusterfuck their panel at Gallifrey is gonna be, and basically, he was charming, funny, and despite my attack of foot-in-mouth disease seemed charmed by us, which is always nice.

Yeah. I may need to do this meeting people thing more often. It was fairly spectacular. The pub also seemed to have a live band? Which had... an itinerant flautist? Seriously. He wandered around the pub playing his flute. There was an attempt made to get him to play the Doctor Who theme, but it failed. Instead, endless renditions of Michael Jackson's ouevre. You haven't lived till you've heard "Beat It" played on the flute, bass, and synthesizer.


1You may know Paul Cornell as author of DW episodes such as "Father's Day", "Human Nature", and "Family of Blood".

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Date: 2009-02-10 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neifile7.livejournal.com
Umm. Gotta risk sounding a little wanky here, but it's relevant.

I really like River Song. I give huge props to Moffat for giving the Doctor a future companion who's female, not young and nubile, an intellectual equal, and not someone he has to rescue/transform. To that extent I guess she's a kind of Mary Sue for me. And that means that she mirrors the Doctor in arrogance and wit, and runs the usual risk of being less sympathetic because she's a woman. I'm not trying to accuse anyone of sexism here, but I do think she points to some of the cultural double standard that informs the show, and I actually think Moffat did a lot to bring that into question with this story arc.

That said, I would have hated on River in a nanosec if she hadn't shown Donna something approaching reverence!

And also: yeah, I don't like the one-off romances either, and I don't think Moffat should get a free ride where he's more obviously sexist. I do like his writing, though, and I can forgive a lot in the man who gave us both River AND Jack. (Hmm. Two 51st-century humans. Do I smell a ship?)

Anyway, thanks to you and Rach for giving us the update on Cornell. It's all kinds of awesome that you met him and he sounds lovely.

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Date: 2009-02-10 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
Not wanky at all; differing opinions welcome. As you can see, I totally disagree with my chum [livejournal.com profile] magnetgirl re: Moffat's sexism, and we still manage to get along!

I don't like River Song because the idea that a human -- regular old human male OR female -- comes along and just *happens* to know more than the Doctor is annoying to me, frankly. The Doctor is a bloke; I would've found it annoying in anyone, I think. Also, the idea that she "knows his name" etc etc made me furious; I felt like she was devaluing all other companions that we'd ever seen. Moffat, I think, has a tendency to do this, making sure his storyline trumps the ongoing one, and it shows a lack of concern for continuity which I find troubling. Presumably, however, this won't be an issue when the main story lines are his.

That said, the fact that River Song was older and not conventionally sexy was awesome (for the record, Donna is my favorite of the new!Who companions). But I would have been more convinced of him pointing out the show's double standard if she hadn't been coded as the Doctor's wife, or whatever.

But yes, we totally agree. The timey-wimey aspect of the SitL and FotD episodes is staggeringly awesome; the man is clearly a genius, and I too can forgive much of the writer who gave us Jack. We are in total accord there.

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